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Help for a one year fresher to enter the software industry

Author
14 Oct 2007 5:58 PM
mrnagrajan
Dear Freinds,

I am hoping a postive answer from this group. I have done my
graduation currently and looking for a break in programming in C# or
VB.NET with SQL Server. After graduation i joined a computer institute
and did a one year course there. For first six months i was nearly
taught nothing. But later some how i started to read things on my own.
After one year i have started attending interviews. But the questions
asked are so much out of topic sometimes. I can completed sample
projects. What should i do because after one year i have come to know
that questions in interviews are so different from actual projects.

For instance i was asked about SOA , damn it i have no idea about that
stuff. I am also reading interview questions and answers from
http://www.questpond.com but i am still not able to cope up.

Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time
freinds.

Author
14 Oct 2007 11:04 PM
asadikhan
On Oct 14, 1:58 pm, mrnagra***@yahoo.co.in wrote:
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> Dear Freinds,
>
> I am hoping a postive answer from this group. I have done my
> graduation currently and looking for a break in programming in C# or
> VB.NET with SQL Server. After graduation i joined a computer institute
> and did a one year course there. For first six months i was nearly
> taught nothing. But later some how i started to read things on my own.
> After one year i have started attending interviews. But the questions
> asked are so much out of topic sometimes. I can completed sample
> projects. What should i do because after one year i have come to know
> that questions in interviews are so different from actual projects.
>
> For instance i was asked about SOA , damn it i have no idea about that
> stuff. I am also reading interview questions and answers fromhttp://www.questpond.combut i am still not able to cope up.
>
> Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time
> freinds.

Two Things.

Firstly, try to go through as many interviews as possible. Usually for
every 15-20 resumes that you send out, you should expect a response of
1. And that is assuming your resume is in line with the job you are
applying for. Keep a track of the jobs you are applying to, what
skills are required, do you show case them in your interview, etc.

You don't have to have experience. But you have to know your stuff. So
e.g. for SOA, try spending a few hours every day learning new
technology. Read an article on WIKI about what SOA is. Then read about
web services. Maybe try building, and consuming a web service in C#.
Learn something new that you see on job listings, but you are not too
sure or confident about.

Stop wasting your money and time going to institutes. At the end of
the day, you will learn the most from your own practice.

Secondly, it is generally easier to get into a entry level QA or
Application Support role than is to get into development. You need to
have good communication skills though, so if you need, work on that as
well. Again, go through as many interviews as possible. The more you
get turned down, the harder you will become, and the better you will
be at the next interview.

I got a job at Bell Canada (Customer Service) working as a Sales Rep
selling TV channels to subscribers. I was making $10 an hour. I kept
giving interviews and stayed sharp with my tech skills. I ended up
getting a job as a Support Analyst with a Bank's IT firm next. I was
making $16 an hour. I still kept updating my skills. I am now an
Intermediate .Net developer with a multi national, making a lot more
than that :)

Keep at it, you will find your way.
Author
15 Oct 2007 1:16 AM
Alan T
Hi,

So are you new a team leader? Do you write documentation?
Do you sit any MCIT or other MS cert?

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> Secondly, it is generally easier to get into a entry level QA or
> Application Support role than is to get into development. You need to
> have good communication skills though, so if you need, work on that as
> well. Again, go through as many interviews as possible. The more you
> get turned down, the harder you will become, and the better you will
> be at the next interview.
>
> I got a job at Bell Canada (Customer Service) working as a Sales Rep
> selling TV channels to subscribers. I was making $10 an hour. I kept
> giving interviews and stayed sharp with my tech skills. I ended up
> getting a job as a Support Analyst with a Bank's IT firm next. I was
> making $16 an hour. I still kept updating my skills. I am now an
> Intermediate .Net developer with a multi national, making a lot more
> than that :)
>
> Keep at it, you will find your way.
Author
15 Oct 2007 1:53 AM
Michael C
<mrnagra***@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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> Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time
> freinds.

1 year is not a long time especially seeing you say you didn't learn
anything for the first 6 months. Did you do any programming before this
year? If not I wouldn't hire you with your current level of training. If
this is your only experience then go back and do some more schooling. There
are a lot of people trying to get into the IT industry with minimal
expericence or training.

Michael
Author
15 Oct 2007 2:12 AM
Steve Dassin
"Michael C" <mike@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> .
> There are a lot of people trying to get into the IT industry with minimal
> expericence or training.

And they have succeeded.

www.beyondsql.blogspot.com
Author
15 Oct 2007 2:35 AM
Michael C
"Steve Dassin" <rac4sqlnospam@net> wrote in message
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> "Michael C" <mike@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> .
>> There are a lot of people trying to get into the IT industry with minimal
>> expericence or training.
>
> And they have succeeded.
>
> www.beyondsql.blogspot.com

You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to be
so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little more
knowledge :-)

Michael
Author
15 Oct 2007 2:51 AM
Michael C
"Michael C" <mike@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to
> be so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little
> more knowledge :-)

Oops, I din't mean that to sound like it did :-) I started the same way and
suspect I might have trouble getting in now if I tried with my initial
experience.

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> Michael
>
Author
15 Oct 2007 4:19 AM
asadikhan
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On Oct 14, 10:51 pm, "Michael C" <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Michael C" <m...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> news:OoSoZQtDIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> > You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to
> > be so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little
> > more knowledge :-)
>
> Oops, I din't mean that to sound like it did :-) I started the same way and
> suspect I might have trouble getting in now if I tried with my initial
> experience.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Michael- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

I won't suggest going back to school to this individual. The guy has
already spent some hefty amounts I am sure. He needs to practice and
hone his skills. I also won't say that I would not hire him given his
current technical skills. Maybe he just needs to showcase what he
knows better. I remember when I was starting out, I knew a lot, but I
just didn't have enough interview experience, and I would get sweaty
hands and be nervous.

You need to take all of this advice, see what you think are potential
roadblocks for you, and work them out. Stick it out, take it easy, and
have a strategy.

Asad
Author
15 Oct 2007 5:00 AM
Steve Dassin
"Michael C" <mike@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Michael C" <mike@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OoSoZQtDIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > You've been involved in IT for some time, right? The IT industry used to
> > be so desperate for people they'd hire anyone. Now it requires a little
> > more knowledge :-)
>
> Oops, I din't mean that to sound like it did :-) I started the same way
and
> suspect I might have trouble getting in now if I tried with my initial
> experience.

Nah, I bet most people would be comfortable with the inference from
the first response :)

Sure, just look into this forum for proof that you need a higher
level of knowledge and understanding today than 10 years ago.
It used to be when the smoke clears you could see what's really
going on. But the ability to blow smoke exceeds the patience
of waiting. So now the industry demands a higher level of knowledge
for what is really nothing more than a blow job. Are you kidding me?
Like Elvis, common sense seems to have left the building :-).

www.beyondsql.blogspot.com
Author
15 Oct 2007 7:22 AM
Michael C
"Steve Dassin" <rac4sqlnospam@net> wrote in message
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> Nah, I bet most people would be comfortable with the inference from
> the first response :)
>
> Sure, just look into this forum for proof that you need a higher
> level of knowledge and understanding today than 10 years ago.
> It used to be when the smoke clears you could see what's really
> going on. But the ability to blow smoke exceeds the patience
> of waiting. So now the industry demands a higher level of knowledge
> for what is really nothing more than a blow job. Are you kidding me?
> Like Elvis, common sense seems to have left the building :-).

Dunno, common sense seems to have settled in a little bit. Some of the
people I used see get hired.....

Michael
Author
15 Oct 2007 8:08 AM
Jan Hyde (VB MVP)
mrnagra***@yahoo.co.in's wild thoughts were released on Sun,
14 Oct 2007 10:58:47 -0700 bearing the following fruit:

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>Dear Freinds,
>
>I am hoping a postive answer from this group. I have done my
>graduation currently and looking for a break in programming in C# or
>VB.NET with SQL Server. After graduation i joined a computer institute
>and did a one year course there. For first six months i was nearly
>taught nothing. But later some how i started to read things on my own.
>After one year i have started attending interviews. But the questions
>asked are so much out of topic sometimes. I can completed sample
>projects. What should i do because after one year i have come to know
>that questions in interviews are so different from actual projects.
>
>For instance i was asked about SOA , damn it i have no idea about that
>stuff. I am also reading interview questions and answers from
>http://www.questpond.com but i am still not able to cope up.
>
>Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time
>freinds.

Be prepared to take a low paid trainee position. Getting
some experience is more importany initially than the wage.




--
Jan Hyde

https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Jan.Hyde
Author
15 Oct 2007 10:44 AM
Jack Vamvas
Some helpful tips

http://www.itjobfeed.com/secrets-of-getting-an-IT-job.asp



<mrnagra***@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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news:1192384727.480633.43080@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Freinds,
>
> I am hoping a postive answer from this group. I have done my
> graduation currently and looking for a break in programming in C# or
> VB.NET with SQL Server. After graduation i joined a computer institute
> and did a one year course there. For first six months i was nearly
> taught nothing. But later some how i started to read things on my own.
> After one year i have started attending interviews. But the questions
> asked are so much out of topic sometimes. I can completed sample
> projects. What should i do because after one year i have come to know
> that questions in interviews are so different from actual projects.
>
> For instance i was asked about SOA , damn it i have no idea about that
> stuff. I am also reading interview questions and answers from
> http://www.questpond.com but i am still not able to cope up.
>
> Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time
> freinds.
>
Author
15 Oct 2007 11:38 AM
MikeB
s'pose no one thinks the cadence of the vernacular of the OP is pretty close to
the opening Paragraph of the link.....



<mrnagra***@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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news:1192384727.480633.43080@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Freinds,
>
> I am hoping a postive answer from this group. I have done my
> graduation currently and looking for a break in programming in C# or
> VB.NET with SQL Server. After graduation i joined a computer institute
> and did a one year course there. For first six months i was nearly
> taught nothing. But later some how i started to read things on my own.
> After one year i have started attending interviews. But the questions
> asked are so much out of topic sometimes. I can completed sample
> projects. What should i do because after one year i have come to know
> that questions in interviews are so different from actual projects.
>
> For instance i was asked about SOA , damn it i have no idea about that
> stuff. I am also reading interview questions and answers from
> http://www.questpond.com but i am still not able to cope up.
>
> Please help what approach should i take now. 1 year is a big time
> freinds.
>
Author
16 Oct 2007 12:35 AM
Michael C
"MikeB" <m.byerleyATVerizonDottieNettie> wrote in message
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> s'pose no one thinks the cadence of the vernacular of the OP is pretty
> close to the opening Paragraph of the link.....

Dunno, I didn't click any links.

Michael
Author
16 Oct 2007 4:06 PM
Lorin
I hire people.
The first thing I look for is practical experience.
Fresh out of school is not what I need.
I know people who graduated Cum Laude that could not design anything; all
talk and no creativity.  Their brains can spit stuff back, but they cannot
think.
So how do you get experience?
Legitimately, create your own as I did when I started out.
Pick a specific profession where you want to excel.
Then buy whatever is needed and create at home.
e.g. want to be a website developer?  Then develop websites at home and put
them on the net for all to see.
A potential employer will see that you really can do it.
Make a portfolio of things you have developed showing practical experience.
In my case, I designed and built electronics.
I had a folder with my designs that I showed around.
It worked for me.
Now I pump out software apps.

Demonstrate your creative capabilities.

P.S. Not hiring right now.

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