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Framework definition...especially when teaching it to newcomers. Here is my understanding of ..NET Framework and its components. ..NET Framework is a managed application development framework from Microsoft and has two main components: Framework Class Library, Common Language Runtime. Common Language Runtime: This is a commercial implementation of CLI (Common Language Infrastructure) specification ratified by Ecma. CLI has 4 parts CTS (Common Type System), CLS (Common Language Specification), Virtual Execution Engine (VES) & Metadata. So, technically, CLR does not contain CLS, but implementation of the specification. Is this right? Some other definitions show Windows forms and ASP.NET as being part of the framework. To me, .NET Framework does not have anything called as Windows forms, but has classes (as part of FCL) that can be used be develope Windows based application. But I am not sure if the same is true for ASP.NET. If not, how exactly is .NET Framework & ASP.NET related? Also, .NET framework does not have support for C#, VB.NET i.e. .NET framework does not have inbuilt compilers for these languages. The Framework has only JIT which compiles MSIL code to native code. Please confirm..... Thanks a lot Santosh You might want to visit the following reference:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/technologyinfo/features/default.aspx According to the reference mentioned, "The .NET Framework consists of two main parts: the common language runtime (CLR) and a unified set of class libraries, including ASP.NET for Web applications and Web services, Windows Forms for smart client applications, and ADO.NET for loosely coupled data access." > So, technically, CLR does not contain CLS, but implementation of the A specification is a blueprint. It defines the rules for creating > specification. Is this right? implementations of the specification. XML is a specification. An XML document is an implementation of XML. So, yes, that is correct. > Some other definitions show Windows forms and ASP.NET as being part of The Common Language Runtime Library is an immense collection of code. It > the framework. To me, .NET Framework does not have anything called as > Windows forms, but has classes (as part of FCL) that can be used be > develope Windows based application. supports Windows Forms, ASP.Net, and hundreds of other systems and services, just about everything that you could possibly access in a Windows Operating System, from soup to nuts. The System.Windows.Forms namespace contains a huge volume of code for creating and working with Windows Forms. Since Windows Forms are only the code that creates them, I don't see how you can differentiate between the CLR Library classes and the Forms themselves. Since the classes are part of one of the "two main parts" of the Framework, what exactly is the source of your confusion? To put it another way, the reason why the .Net Framework is called a "framework" is that it is a platform that one can build on, much as the foundation of a house is a platform for building a house on. When talking about the foundation of a house, one does not differentiate between the concrete blocks and the poured concrete upon which they sit. They are parts of the same platform. Or perhaps the plumbing might be a better example. The plumbing creates a framework for creating facilities in a house that use water, such as sinks, toilets, and baths. The plumbing is not the water. In fact, it gets the water from other plumbing, coming from the street, much as the System.Windows.Forms namespace contains classes that call Windows API functions to create managed Windows Forms. Does this imply that the .Net Framework doesn't "have anything called as Windows Forms?" That would be like saying that the plumbing in a house doesn't "have anything called as water." In other words, in some ways the .Net Framework is dependent upon the Windows platform and the Windows API for providing it with "the water in its pipes." But the Windows platform depends upon the BIOS in the mother board. And the BIOS depends upon the hardware. The hardware depends upon electricity. The electricity depends upon the generator. The generator depends upon its energy source. And so on. > But I am not sure if the same is true for ASP.NET. If not, how exactly The System.Web.UI namespace is the basis for most of ASP.Net. ASP.Net lives > is .NET Framework & ASP.NET related? entirely in the Common Language Runtime Library. > Also, .NET framework does not have support for C#, VB.NET i.e. .NET Let me ask you this: Before you install the .Net Framework, are you able to > framework does not have inbuilt compilers for these languages. The > Framework has only JIT which compiles MSIL code to native code. write and compile programs in C#? (Hint: no) After you install the .Net Framework, are you able to write and compile programs in C#? (Hint: yes) This is a lot like asking if Internet Explorer is part of the Windows Operating System. Microsoft spent years in court wrangling over this sort of question. What is an Operating System? Is it the Kernel alone, or all of the services, DLLs, and components that comprise Windows? What is the .Net Framework? What parts of the Framework that you install are "truly" parts of the framework, and what parts are simply decoration? Again, does it matter? This is nothing but splitting hairs over questions that do not help one to achieve anything at all. They are purely academic, mental masturbation. Bottom line, as Microsoft wrote the .Net Framework, and Microsoft named the ..Net Framework, and Microsoft owns the .Net Framework, the .Net Framework is whatever Microsoft says it is. >I know this is too late but believe me, it can still be confusing If you really want to teach newcomers, teach them to be concerned about what > especially when teaching it to newcomers. is profitable to be concerned about. One can argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin all day long, but at the end of the day, one has managed to do only one thing: waste an entire day. Why do people become programmers? They become programmers to write software. What is necessary to learn in order to write software? How to use the technology. The words that comprise definitions of words are unimportant. What is important is what the words represent, not what words best can be used to describe those words. The American theoretical physicist Richard Feynman once told a story about walks he would take in the woods with his father. He related how other fathers would point to a bird and tell their children "that is a lark." His father would point at a bird and tell him "That is called a lark, but giving it a name doesn't tell us anything useful about it. What is it? What does it do? How does it do it? That is what matters." There are people here in the U.S. who own SUVs (Sport Utility Vehicles) because they are a "status symbol." SUVS are large, heavy, and use a lot of gasoline. Gasoline is expensive, and cars depreciate in value at an astonishing rate. Therefore, owning such a car is impractical. It is a waste of money. Anyone impressed by such a car is too foolish to be worth impressing. So, the next time some newcomer asks you such a question, ask them what they plan to use that information to accomplish. Tell them that if they plan to impress people with their superior knowledge, they have already failed. Some knowledge, no matter how accurate it may be, is simply worthless. And the only people who would be impressed by such knowledge are not worth impressing. -- Show quoteHTH, Kevin Spencer Microsoft MVP ..Net Developer Who is Mighty Abbott? A twin turret scalawag. <santoshmah***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1137747861.651398.161150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >I know this is too late but believe me, it can still be confusing > especially when teaching it to newcomers. Here is my understanding of > .NET Framework and its components. > > .NET Framework is a managed application development framework from > Microsoft and has two main components: Framework Class Library, Common > Language Runtime. > > Common Language Runtime: This is a commercial implementation of CLI > (Common Language Infrastructure) specification ratified by Ecma. CLI > has 4 parts CTS (Common Type System), CLS (Common Language > Specification), Virtual Execution Engine (VES) & Metadata. > > So, technically, CLR does not contain CLS, but implementation of the > specification. Is this right? > > Some other definitions show Windows forms and ASP.NET as being part of > the framework. To me, .NET Framework does not have anything called as > Windows forms, but has classes (as part of FCL) that can be used be > develope Windows based application. > > But I am not sure if the same is true for ASP.NET. If not, how exactly > is .NET Framework & ASP.NET related? > > Also, .NET framework does not have support for C#, VB.NET i.e. .NET > framework does not have inbuilt compilers for these languages. The > Framework has only JIT which compiles MSIL code to native code. > > Please confirm..... > > Thanks a lot > Santosh > |
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