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A challenge to all MVP's.......GET A J.O.B. for once in your lifeprogrammers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven wrong in the real world You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin with. DEAR MICROSOFT: Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer wanted anyway. MESSAGE TO MVP's: WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't get the job done right. Please stop these inflammatory posts. What do you hope to gain by
doing this? Whether or not MVPs have jobs is their business only. Why do you care? If someone gives me good advice at no cost, I'm certainly not going to question his employment status or use that to disqualify his good advice. We are all here to help one another. Most of us here (MVP or not) take personal time to help others and we should all be thankful for that. If you're not happy with the participants or the quality of the help, then please leave these newsgroups and don't come back until you learn to treat others with respect. Bill E. Hollywood, FL Dear Bill,
You want to know I am posting, here's one reason why. If you want to KEEP your JOB, you should then STOP listening or even asking these MVP's as they can't even KEEP their own JOB.with their so-called advice. That's why. It's called practicing what your preaching and all these MVP's are more preaching than practicing. That's why you should ASK if these guys have J.O.B.'s as the advice your getting is NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH for these MVP's to keep their own JOB's. That's why you should ask so you actually know if the advice you get ACTUALLY works in the REAL WORLD. <billmia***@netscape.net> wrote in message Show quote news:1117883819.703568.204390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Please stop these inflammatory posts. What do you hope to gain by > doing this? Whether or not MVPs have jobs is their business only. > Why do you care? If someone gives me good advice at no cost, I'm > certainly not going to question his employment status or use that to > disqualify his good advice. > > We are all here to help one another. Most of us here (MVP or not) take > personal time to help others and we should all be thankful for that. > If you're not happy with the participants or the quality of the help, > then please leave these newsgroups and don't come back until you learn > to treat others with respect. > > Bill E. > Hollywood, FL > Just how good are these MVP's who are so well known in the community when
they can't even keep their JOB but spend all day here? Last time I checked, most if not all software projects are late, including those at Microsoft. Do you see those programmers, lead developers, CIO, CTO, or for that matter even non-technical people here day in and day out when they actually have to get something out the door? NO, REPEAT, NO YOU DON'T And if these MVPs are not actually doing something or ever have done that something how can these MVPs actually tell you what to do when they haven't done it themselves? Is that the advice you want? <billmia***@netscape.net> wrote in message Show quote news:1117883819.703568.204390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Please stop these inflammatory posts. What do you hope to gain by > doing this? Whether or not MVPs have jobs is their business only. > Why do you care? If someone gives me good advice at no cost, I'm > certainly not going to question his employment status or use that to > disqualify his good advice. > > We are all here to help one another. Most of us here (MVP or not) take > personal time to help others and we should all be thankful for that. > If you're not happy with the participants or the quality of the help, > then please leave these newsgroups and don't come back until you learn > to treat others with respect. > > Bill E. > Hollywood, FL > Inline:
(means read my comments inbetween your inane rants) "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:OTgFGYSaFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... You still haven't proven even once that the MVP's (or anyone else here besides yourself) do not have a job.> Just how good are these MVP's who are so well known in the community when > they can't even keep their JOB but spend all day here? > Last time I checked, most if not all software projects are late, including YOU CHECKED software projects??? So, you are waiting for what,,,,,,,,,,DOOM 4 1/2 ? And it's late> those at Microsoft. Truely, a stupid and uninformed statement on your part. > Do you see those programmers, lead developers, CIO, CTO, or for that matter You have no clue who posts here or what they do for a living. Provide some names and PROOF or STFU!> even non-technical people here day in and day out when they actually have to > get something out the door? > NO, REPEAT, NO YOU DON'T (your silly nonsense posts are not considered proof of anything other than your inability to make sense) > Again, on what do you base your statements concerning MVP's and what they do or don't do??> And if these MVPs are not actually doing something or ever have done that > something how can these MVPs actually tell you what to do when they haven't > done it themselves? Is that the advice you want? Just your crybaby experiences don't count. Because it is obvious that you do not have enough intelligence to understand what takes place in these newsgroups and the amount of help given here each and every day. I hope you do finally get some good counseling as you are in serious denial of the truth of your situation. You are clearly suffering from H.I.A. Syndrome. ( head in ass) Please seek help immediately and get back on your meds as soon as possible before you wander too far from the instution and get ran over by a slow moving truck. And tell your keeper, it's time for you to go back to your room (padded). Have a nice day !!! james It isn't who the advice comes from, dude. It's whether it's good advice or
not. The truth exists without our participation. If we speak the truth, it doesn't come FROM us, it comes THROUGH us. Nobody owns it. The law of gravity existed long before Isaac Newton stumbled across it in his journey. On the other hand, if you ignore it, you may be in for a "fall." Knowledge is power. Ignorance is slavery. Take your pick. -- Show quoteHTH, Kevin Spencer Microsoft MVP ..Net Developer Ambiguity has a certain quality to it. "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:OTgFGYSaFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > Just how good are these MVP's who are so well known in the community when > they can't even keep their JOB but spend all day here? > > Last time I checked, most if not all software projects are late, including > those at Microsoft. > > Do you see those programmers, lead developers, CIO, CTO, or for that > matter > even non-technical people here day in and day out when they actually have > to > get something out the door? > NO, REPEAT, NO YOU DON'T > > And if these MVPs are not actually doing something or ever have done that > something how can these MVPs actually tell you what to do when they > haven't > done it themselves? Is that the advice you want? > > > > > > > <billmia***@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:1117883819.703568.204390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Please stop these inflammatory posts. What do you hope to gain by >> doing this? Whether or not MVPs have jobs is their business only. >> Why do you care? If someone gives me good advice at no cost, I'm >> certainly not going to question his employment status or use that to >> disqualify his good advice. >> >> We are all here to help one another. Most of us here (MVP or not) take >> personal time to help others and we should all be thankful for that. >> If you're not happy with the participants or the quality of the help, >> then please leave these newsgroups and don't come back until you learn >> to treat others with respect. >> >> Bill E. >> Hollywood, FL >> > > Dude, you've got some serious issues. I suggest long-term therapy.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - Phillip K. Dick -- Show quoteHTH, Kevin Spencer Microsoft MVP ..Net Developer Ambiguity has a certain quality to it. "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > incompetent > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > wrong in the real world > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > do > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > as > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > with. > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > in > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > the > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > as > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > in > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > actually > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > pay > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > customer > wanted anyway. > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > they > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > you > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > can't > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > No he's right Kevin.
Too many MVPs are full of sh!t and little more than pimps playing on the neophytes with the same lame and often misleading or false comments passing for 'help' again and again and again. There are many motives why this would occur. Some malevolent and others not. This is really evident in the FrontPage newsgroups where I am astounded at the lies of ommission and manipulation that occurs. I can understand how human behavior can explain this phenomena and it often frustrates me to no end but I'm simply tired of getting into it any more as most of the time somebody will post to show the MVP is a pimp but the OP never or rarely comes back to even thank anybody or remain involved in the what can then evolve into a conflict. Even when the MVP is right on the money the OP is nowhere to be seen. Still, the OP of this topic has a valid point. There are MVPs that I know for a fact are liars and cheats and others I could not do without and bless the ground they walk on. This can be a real paradox. I've got something up my sleeve though so you better watch your step dude :-) <%= Clinton GallagherMETROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service" NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com URL http://metromilwaukee.com/ URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ Show quote "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote in message news:uUyG9nPaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Dude, you've got some serious issues. I suggest long-term therapy. > > Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - > Phillip K. Dick > > -- > HTH, > > Kevin Spencer > Microsoft MVP > .Net Developer > Ambiguity has a certain quality to it. > > "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message > news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most >> incompetent >> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! >> >> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven >> wrong in the real world >> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime >> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't >> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you >> do >> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. >> >> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all >> that >> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO >> as >> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin >> with. >> >> >> DEAR MICROSOFT: >> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity >> in >> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do >> the >> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad >> as >> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they >> in >> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they >> actually >> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of >> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to >> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and >> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? >> >> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET >> A >> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder >> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why >> pay >> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the >> customer >> wanted anyway. >> >> >> MESSAGE TO MVP's: >> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world >> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard >> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till >> they >> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning >> you >> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user >> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, >> can't >> get the job done right. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Well, Clinton, I think you could sum up what you wrote by saying that all
MVPs are human. I know I am! -- Show quoteHTH, Kevin Spencer Microsoft MVP ..Net Developer Ambiguity has a certain quality to it. "clintonG" <csgallag***@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message news:e$ibPuTaFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > No he's right Kevin. > > Too many MVPs are full of sh!t and little more than pimps playing on the > neophytes with the same lame and often misleading or false comments > passing for 'help' again and again and again. There are many motives why > this would occur. Some malevolent and others not. This is really evident > in the FrontPage newsgroups where I am astounded at the lies of ommission > and manipulation that occurs. > > I can understand how human behavior can explain this phenomena and it > often frustrates me to no end but I'm simply tired of getting into it any > more as most of the time somebody will post to show the MVP is a pimp but > the OP never or rarely comes back to even thank anybody or remain involved > in the what can then evolve into a conflict. Even when the MVP is right on > the money the OP is nowhere to be seen. Still, the OP of this topic has a > valid point. > > There are MVPs that I know for a fact are liars and cheats and others I > could not do without and bless the ground they walk on. This can be a real > paradox. > > I've got something up my sleeve though so you better watch your step dude > :-) > > > <%= Clinton Gallagher > METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service" > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > URL http://metromilwaukee.com/ > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > > > > > > > "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote in message > news:uUyG9nPaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> Dude, you've got some serious issues. I suggest long-term therapy. >> >> Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - >> Phillip K. Dick >> >> -- >> HTH, >> >> Kevin Spencer >> Microsoft MVP >> .Net Developer >> Ambiguity has a certain quality to it. >> >> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >>> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most >>> incompetent >>> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! >>> >>> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been >>> proven >>> wrong in the real world >>> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime >>> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't >>> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all >>> you do >>> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. >>> >>> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all >>> that >>> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO >>> as >>> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to >>> begin >>> with. >>> >>> >>> DEAR MICROSOFT: >>> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for >>> publicity in >>> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do >>> the >>> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad >>> as >>> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in >>> they in >>> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they >>> actually >>> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of >>> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to >>> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and >>> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? >>> >>> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET >>> A >>> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no >>> wonder >>> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why >>> pay >>> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the >>> customer >>> wanted anyway. >>> >>> >>> MESSAGE TO MVP's: >>> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the >>> world >>> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a >>> hard >>> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till >>> they >>> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning >>> you >>> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user >>> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, >>> can't >>> get the job done right. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > clintonG wrote:
Show quote > No he's right Kevin. what's the valid point then? That MVP's are humans and error from time> > Too many MVPs are full of sh!t and little more than pimps playing on > the neophytes with the same lame and often misleading or false > comments passing for 'help' again and again and again. There are many > motives why this would occur. Some malevolent and others not. This is > really evident in the FrontPage newsgroups where I am astounded at > the lies of ommission and manipulation that occurs. > > I can understand how human behavior can explain this phenomena and it > often frustrates me to no end but I'm simply tired of getting into it > any more as most of the time somebody will post to show the MVP is a > pimp but the OP never or rarely comes back to even thank anybody or > remain involved in the what can then evolve into a conflict. Even > when the MVP is right on the money the OP is nowhere to be seen. > Still, the OP of this topic has a valid point. to time? Whoa, what a hell of an insight. You might confuse 'MVP' with a title for 'excellent skillset and awesome knowledge'. MVP is a title for those people who helped out a lot of people in the community. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. If some people think 'Oh, s/he's an mvp, s/he doesn't make mistakes and that person knows it ALL', they're wrong, we do make mistakes, we don't know it all, we just spend a lot of time helping others. Now, explain to me: what's wrong with helping others? That's the point the OP troll posting argues against. Pardon me, but who doesn't want help when s/he's stuck? Apparently lwti doesn't and neither do you. FB On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:49:40 -0700, "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]"
<perseus.usenetNOSPAM@xs4all.nl> wrote: Show quote >clintonG wrote: What I don't understand is: if these people complaining (and I> >> No he's right Kevin. >> >> Too many MVPs are full of sh!t and little more than pimps playing on >> the neophytes with the same lame and often misleading or false >> comments passing for 'help' again and again and again. There are many >> motives why this would occur. Some malevolent and others not. This is >> really evident in the FrontPage newsgroups where I am astounded at >> the lies of ommission and manipulation that occurs. >> >> I can understand how human behavior can explain this phenomena and it >> often frustrates me to no end but I'm simply tired of getting into it >> any more as most of the time somebody will post to show the MVP is a >> pimp but the OP never or rarely comes back to even thank anybody or >> remain involved in the what can then evolve into a conflict. Even >> when the MVP is right on the money the OP is nowhere to be seen. >> Still, the OP of this topic has a valid point. > > what's the valid point then? That MVP's are humans and error from time >to time? Whoa, what a hell of an insight. > suspect it's actually just that one guy - he posted originally under the name "rhat" or something like that) ... if these people don't like the MVP's, then why do they read postings from MVP's? Why not just ignore them? Why bitch and moan so vehemently? Like I said before, I have received GREAT and MUCH-appreciated help from MVP's over the years, and I have nothing but thanks for them. If they are occasionally wrong, BFD. We're all human. << Too many MVPs are full of sh!t and little more than pimps playing on the
neophytes with the same lame and often misleading or false comments passing for 'help' again and again and again. There are many motives why this would occur. Some malevolent and others not. This is really evident in the FrontPage newsgroups where I am astounded at the lies of ommission and manipulation that occurs.>> I don't go there at all and I don't think I know any front page MVPs although I may. However even assuming for a second that your statement is in fact true/correct, that is one newsgroup. Ok, so maybe you were just using it as an illustration and there are others. To say "No He's right" is to imply that the majority of the NGs expereince this phenomenon. That simply isn't true. Take THIS very Newsgroup for instance. There are NO ADO.NET MVPs, the people that are here do it outside of their group and it's pretty safe to assume do it purely to help others. Look at ADO.NET in particular, and look at boththe MVPs and NonMVPS. Typically , you see peopl ehere just trying to help out other folks. I bet the technical accuracy of replies from MVPs in particular is probably well over 98% correct and I'm being generous. GOogle indexes this NG as it does others so it's pretty easy to document any examples that would refute my point. So even assuming that your frontpage example is correct (and I'm only agreeing to that for the sake of argument), the ADO.NET ng would offset it thereby leaving it a draw. As far as no one following up. I know that in 2004 alone I got a ton of emails of gratitude for the help I gave. I quit counting at 200. And I'm hardly top of the food chain in that regard. So if well over 200 people decided that my help was important enough to them to take time and write a thank you - I don't call that trivial. And the truth is that many others do a LOT more than I do, a LOT more. <<> I can understand how human behavior can explain this phenomena and it often > frustrates me to no end but I'm simply tired of getting into it any more In what sense are you using the word Pimp? Where I'm from it's a totally > as most of the time somebody will post to show the MVP is a pimp but the > OP never or rarely comes back to even thank anybody or remain involved in > the what can then evolve into a conflict. Even when the MVP is right on > the money the OP is nowhere to be seen. Still, the OP of this topic has a > valid point.>> complimentary term indicating someone has complete and thorough command of something. As far as OPS coming back. well, that's true but that's the nature of newsgroups and has absolutely NOTHING to do with an MVP. THere are tons of Newsgroups that are non-ms and don't even have MVPS and this occurs. It's just the nature of newsgroups. And honestly, if you have examples of where some MVPS are habitually wrong, you really ought to contact them with it just like you would anyone else. No one benefits by having incorrect information out there and every MVP I know would gladlly admit when they are wrong <<> There are MVPs that I know for a fact are liars and cheats and others I > could not do without and bless the ground they walk on. This can be a real Come on, these are some strong words. I have been an MVP for two years and I > paradox. >> know a LOT of people in the program. I dont' know one that is a confirmed Liar and Cheat, although considering the number of people in the program, there may be a few. How would I even go about being a cheat in a newsgroup if I wanted to? Again, even assuming that you have proof of a MVP being a liar and cheat, in proportion to the number in the program, that numbers has to be so small as to be inconsequential - doesn't it? <<> I've got something up my sleeve though so you better watch your step dude > :-)>> Do tell ;-)Show quote "clintonG" <csgallag***@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message news:e$ibPuTaFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > No he's right Kevin. > > > > > > <%= Clinton Gallagher > METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service" > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > URL http://metromilwaukee.com/ > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > > > > > > > "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote in message > news:uUyG9nPaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> Dude, you've got some serious issues. I suggest long-term therapy. >> >> Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - >> Phillip K. Dick >> >> -- >> HTH, >> >> Kevin Spencer >> Microsoft MVP >> .Net Developer >> Ambiguity has a certain quality to it. >> >> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >>> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most >>> incompetent >>> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! >>> >>> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been >>> proven >>> wrong in the real world >>> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime >>> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't >>> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all >>> you do >>> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. >>> >>> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all >>> that >>> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO >>> as >>> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to >>> begin >>> with. >>> >>> >>> DEAR MICROSOFT: >>> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for >>> publicity in >>> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do >>> the >>> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad >>> as >>> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in >>> they in >>> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they >>> actually >>> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of >>> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to >>> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and >>> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? >>> >>> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET >>> A >>> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no >>> wonder >>> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why >>> pay >>> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the >>> customer >>> wanted anyway. >>> >>> >>> MESSAGE TO MVP's: >>> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the >>> world >>> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a >>> hard >>> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till >>> they >>> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning >>> you >>> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user >>> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, >>> can't >>> get the job done right. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > I've got something up my sleeve though ooooh! oooooh! I've got something up my sleeve too!Bob Lehmann Show quote "clintonG" <csgallag***@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message news:e$ibPuTaFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > No he's right Kevin. > > Too many MVPs are full of sh!t and little more than pimps playing on the > neophytes with the same lame and often misleading or false comments passing > for 'help' again and again and again. There are many motives why this would > occur. Some malevolent and others not. This is really evident in the > FrontPage newsgroups where I am astounded at the lies of ommission and > manipulation that occurs. > > I can understand how human behavior can explain this phenomena and it often > frustrates me to no end but I'm simply tired of getting into it any more as > most of the time somebody will post to show the MVP is a pimp but the OP > never or rarely comes back to even thank anybody or remain involved in the > what can then evolve into a conflict. Even when the MVP is right on the > money the OP is nowhere to be seen. Still, the OP of this topic has a valid > point. > > There are MVPs that I know for a fact are liars and cheats and others I > could not do without and bless the ground they walk on. This can be a real > paradox. > > I've got something up my sleeve though so you better watch your step dude > :-) > > > <%= Clinton Gallagher > METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service" > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > URL http://metromilwaukee.com/ > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > > > > > > > "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote in message > news:uUyG9nPaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > Dude, you've got some serious issues. I suggest long-term therapy. > > > > Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. - > > Phillip K. Dick > > > > -- > > HTH, > > > > Kevin Spencer > > Microsoft MVP > > .Net Developer > > Ambiguity has a certain quality to it. > > > > "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message > > news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > >> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > >> incompetent > >> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > >> > >> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > >> wrong in the real world > >> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > >> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > >> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > >> do > >> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > >> > >> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all > >> that > >> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > >> as > >> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > >> with. > >> > >> > >> DEAR MICROSOFT: > >> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > >> in > >> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > >> the > >> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > >> as > >> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > >> in > >> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > >> actually > >> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > >> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > >> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > >> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > >> > >> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET > >> A > >> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > >> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > >> pay > >> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > >> customer > >> wanted anyway. > >> > >> > >> MESSAGE TO MVP's: > >> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > >> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > >> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > >> they > >> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > >> you > >> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > >> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > >> can't > >> get the job done right. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >
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"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message Thank you for your insightful analysis and helpful suggestions. I'm sure news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > incompetent > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > wrong in the real world > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > do > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > as > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > with. > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > in > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > the > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > as > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > in > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > actually > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > pay > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > customer > wanted anyway. > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > they > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > you > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > can't > get the job done right. > > they will be read with great interest by Microsoft management and given all the attention they deserve. Frankly, I've often received better and more comprehensive advice from the
MVPs than I've gotten from Microsoft on most occasions. Creating a solution takes a lot more experience and knowledge than just "coding in .Net". I'm not sure what your beef is with the MVPs, but I think we would all be a lot poorer without their insight and advice. Show quote "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > incompetent > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > wrong in the real world > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > do > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > as > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > with. > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > in > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > the > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > as > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > in > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > actually > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > pay > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > customer > wanted anyway. > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > they > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > you > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > can't > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > They may have got you started, but they will also get you FIRED, just like
they were and are without a J.O.B. If these MVP's are SOOOO GOOD, how can they be here day after day, week after week, year after year, YET have nothing, zippo written for themselves to show for it. Look at their websites, blogs at best! whew lots of coding their. No it's posting, i.e. J.O.B. trolling cause they can't keep the J.O.B. they had. How come these people, WHO ARE SO WELL KNOWN can't get a J.O.B. but those guys who created FIREFOX can get a J.O.B. just like that and are ACTUALLY TOO BUSY to be on their BLOGS all day LONG as they have REAL WORK TO DO? It's cause those FIREFOX guys actually created something that people use, unlike MVP's who YEAR AFTER YEAR can't write a real program that people want and actually use but spend day in and day out here posting away. Show quote "Earl" <brikshoe@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message news:uXIM7cRaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Frankly, I've often received better and more comprehensive advice from the > MVPs than I've gotten from Microsoft on most occasions. Creating a solution > takes a lot more experience and knowledge than just "coding in .Net". I'm > not sure what your beef is with the MVPs, but I think we would all be a lot > poorer without their insight and advice. > > > > "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message > news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > > incompetent > > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > > wrong in the real world > > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > > do > > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > > as > > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > > with. > > > > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > > in > > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > > the > > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > > as > > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > > in > > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > > actually > > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > > pay > > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > > customer > > wanted anyway. > > > > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > > they > > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > > you > > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > > can't > > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they didn't get me started and they sure as heck aren't going to get me
fired, cuz I sell what I make. I don't read anyone's "blog", but at least some of the MVPs I see in the forums are published -- off the top of my head, Bill Vaughn and Hilary Cotter come to mind as having written some pretty weighty tomes. Anyway, congrats for trolling so adeptly :=) Show quote "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23r5XCLSaFHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > They may have got you started, but they will also get you FIRED, just like > they were and are without a J.O.B. > > If these MVP's are SOOOO GOOD, how can they be here day after day, week > after week, year after year, YET have nothing, zippo written for > themselves > to show for it. Look at their websites, blogs at best! whew lots of coding > their. No it's posting, i.e. J.O.B. trolling cause they can't keep the > J.O.B. they had. > > How come these people, WHO ARE SO WELL KNOWN can't get a J.O.B. but those > guys who created FIREFOX can get a J.O.B. just like that and are ACTUALLY > TOO BUSY to be on their BLOGS all day LONG as they have REAL WORK TO DO? > > It's cause those FIREFOX guys actually created something that people use, > unlike MVP's who YEAR AFTER YEAR can't write a real program that people > want > and actually use but spend day in and day out here posting away. > > > > > > > > "Earl" <brikshoe@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message > news:uXIM7cRaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> Frankly, I've often received better and more comprehensive advice from >> the >> MVPs than I've gotten from Microsoft on most occasions. Creating a > solution >> takes a lot more experience and knowledge than just "coding in .Net". I'm >> not sure what your beef is with the MVPs, but I think we would all be a > lot >> poorer without their insight and advice. >> >> >> >> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message >> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most >> > incompetent >> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! >> > >> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been > proven >> > wrong in the real world >> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime >> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't >> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all > you >> > do >> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. >> > >> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all > that >> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never >> > DO >> > as >> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to > begin >> > with. >> > >> > >> > DEAR MICROSOFT: >> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for > publicity >> > in >> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do >> > the >> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look >> > bad >> > as >> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in > they >> > in >> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they >> > actually >> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of >> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to >> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and >> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? >> > >> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT >> > GET > A >> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no > wonder >> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why >> > pay >> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the >> > customer >> > wanted anyway. >> > >> > >> > MESSAGE TO MVP's: >> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the > world >> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a > hard >> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till >> > they >> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even >> > mentioning >> > you >> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user >> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, >> > can't >> > get the job done right. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >
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"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message So where are your websites? What have you developed? What do you do with all news:%23r5XCLSaFHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > They may have got you started, but they will also get you FIRED, just like > they were and are without a J.O.B. > > If these MVP's are SOOOO GOOD, how can they be here day after day, week > after week, year after year, YET have nothing, zippo written for > themselves > to show for it. Look at their websites, blogs at best! whew lots of coding > their. No it's posting, i.e. J.O.B. trolling cause they can't keep the > J.O.B. they had. > > How come these people, WHO ARE SO WELL KNOWN can't get a J.O.B. but those > guys who created FIREFOX can get a J.O.B. just like that and are ACTUALLY > TOO BUSY to be on their BLOGS all day LONG as they have REAL WORK TO DO? your time besides trolling on newsgroups? Guys, stop feeding the troll... Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different names. In fact he is such a coward he
cannot even post under his own name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. james Show quote "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > wrong in the real world > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > with. > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer > wanted anyway. > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > are MVP's trolls? they WANT, NEED ATTENTION to get the J.O.B. that they
can't KEEP or GET. THUS, THEY KEEP POSTING, POSTING, POSTING AWAY... M.V.P = GIVE-ME-A-JOB-as-I-THINK-IKNOW-A-LOT-BUT-ACTUALLY-CAN'T DO IT-TROLL "james" <jjames700ReMoVeMe at earthlink dot net> wrote in message In fact he is such a coward henews:e172bnRaFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different names. Show quote > cannot even post under his own name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. > > james > > "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent > > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > > wrong in the real world > > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do > > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as > > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > > with. > > > > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in > > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the > > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as > > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in > > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually > > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay > > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer > > wanted anyway. > > > > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they > > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you > > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't > > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, you proved my point for me. You , yourself have no J.O.B. and you are some kid who wishes he could write software
(and cannot because he spends all his time spamming newsgroups) and is still crying because , under another name, he asked a question and no MVP answered it for him, because he was too stupid to figure out how to look it up for himself. So, instead of rewording his question or taking the time to state that he did try to find an answer, he instead, goes off on a temper tantrum like some spoiled 12 year old, and attacks others who have forgotten more than he will ever know about programming. Truely sad. Try and seek some counseling...............you need it. (maybe your mom will read this and finally take your computer privilges away) james Oh, and by the way.........WELCOME TO MY KILLFILE !!!!!!!!!!!! Show quote "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:eo7FGBSaFHA.3280@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > are MVP's trolls? they WANT, NEED ATTENTION to get the J.O.B. that they > can't KEEP or GET. THUS, THEY KEEP POSTING, POSTING, POSTING AWAY... > > M.V.P = GIVE-ME-A-JOB-as-I-THINK-IKNOW-A-LOT-BUT-ACTUALLY-CAN'T DO IT-TROLL > > > > > "james" <jjames700ReMoVeMe at earthlink dot net> wrote in message > news:e172bnRaFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different names. > In fact he is such a coward he >> cannot even post under his own name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. >> >> james >> >> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message > news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > incompetent >> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! >> > >> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been > proven >> > wrong in the real world >> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime >> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't >> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all > you do >> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. >> > >> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all > that >> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > as >> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to > begin >> > with. >> > >> > >> > DEAR MICROSOFT: >> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for > publicity in >> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > the >> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > as >> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in > they in >> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > actually >> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of >> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to >> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and >> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? >> > >> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET > A >> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no > wonder >> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > pay >> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > customer >> > wanted anyway. >> > >> > >> > MESSAGE TO MVP's: >> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the > world >> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a > hard >> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > they >> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > you >> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user >> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > can't >> > get the job done right. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > james wrote:
> Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different Not a real coward, his IP address isn't faked with a proxy, it's a> names. In fact he is such a coward he cannot even post under his own > name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. cox.net adsl line. real cowards post through anonymous proxies. Though I've to admit, this discussion goes nowhere. FB "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]" <perseus.usenetNOSPAM@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:xn0e34xp24hvrq003@news.microsoft.com... I agree. Feeding a troll just keeps them coming back. And I am just as guilty as anyone> james wrote: > >> Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different >> names. In fact he is such a coward he cannot even post under his own >> name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. > > Not a real coward, his IP address isn't faked with a proxy, it's a > cox.net adsl line. real cowards post through anonymous proxies. Though > I've to admit, this discussion goes nowhere. > > FB for responding. james Of course it could be that he does not know enough to post using anonymous
proxy? Show quote "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]" <perseus.usenetNOSPAM@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:xn0e34xp24hvrq003@news.microsoft.com... > james wrote: > > > Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different > > names. In fact he is such a coward he cannot even post under his own > > name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. > > Not a real coward, his IP address isn't faked with a proxy, it's a > cox.net adsl line. real cowards post through anonymous proxies. Though > I've to admit, this discussion goes nowhere. > > FB Yesterday I replied to this "troll" as if his (her?) attack was addressed to
me personally--perhaps because I am self-employed/semi-retired and don't have a "real job". I realize now that the assult was not just against me, but against the entire MVP community. I know a lot of MVPs personally. I hear from them all the time--here on this list and through many other forums. We exchange ideas, inside scoops and discuss all kinds of issues not meant for the public. I don't know a single MVP that I don't respect in one way or another. They are real assets to the community. Virtually all of them have money-making jobs but somehow have found the time to share their talents, skills and experience with others. Some are consultants, some mentors, some trainers, some authors and some employees of companies large and small--and some are all of the above (somehow). Many have insane work/writing/training/speaking/travelling schedules that frankly are astounding--I don't know how they do it all. But they do. And well. That's what the MVP program recognizes: Those men and women who contribute above and beyond what they have to do to earn a living--as do others that contribute to this list. Here we are all volunteers. We contribute here because we know that it's our duty to give back part of what we have been given. Sure, not everyone who contriubutes to these forums is a genius or knows all the answers--few are, but many are experts in one area or another. The hard part is knowing ones limitations. Yes, I've given wrong answers too many times (regrettably), but I think I'm right enough of the time to help--and thanks to those that correct me when I get it wrong. I (like most of us) learn from these lists on every visit. I learn solutions that work--and those that don't, new techniques and new ways of approaching problems. Most importantly for me, I learn what's troubling developers so I know what to research for my books and articles. Ironically, I might have the bandwidth to fully research something when someone with a real "job" might not. We have not heard from the troll in awhile, perhaps he's crawled back under his (or her) bridge. In any case it's a good idea to let trolls stay there and grumble on. -- Show quote____________________________________ William (Bill) Vaughn Author, Mentor, Consultant Microsoft MVP www.betav.com/blog/billva www.betav.com www.sqlreportingservices.net Please reply only to the newsgroup so that others can benefit. This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. __________________________________ "Frans Bouma [C# MVP]" <perseus.usenetNOSPAM@xs4all.nl> wrote in message news:xn0e34xp24hvrq003@news.microsoft.com... > james wrote: > >> Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different >> names. In fact he is such a coward he cannot even post under his own >> name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. > > Not a real coward, his IP address isn't faked with a proxy, it's a > cox.net adsl line. real cowards post through anonymous proxies. Though > I've to admit, this discussion goes nowhere. > > FB Frans Bouma [C# MVP] wrote:
> james wrote: A "stupid" troll then?> > >>Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different >>names. In fact he is such a coward he cannot even post under his own >>name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth. > > > Not a real coward, his IP address isn't faked with a proxy, it's a > cox.net adsl line. real cowards post through anonymous proxies. Though > I've to admit, this discussion goes nowhere. > > FB JB I think you MVPs are the best, and I thank you for all of the help you've
give me (and everyone esle) over the years. -David Show quote "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > incompetent > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > wrong in the real world > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > do > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > as > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > with. > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > in > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > the > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > as > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > in > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > actually > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > pay > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > customer > wanted anyway. > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > they > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > you > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > can't > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > lwti wrote:
[...] Feel free to post your CV. Or is it String.Empty? ROFLMAO
Show quote "Joerg Jooss" <news-re***@joergjooss.de> wrote in message news:xn0e33s952npgs000@msnews.microsoft.com... > lwti wrote: > > [...] > > Feel free to post your CV. > > Or is it String.Empty? > -- > http://www.joergjooss.de > mailto:news-re***@joergjooss.de I am personally grateful to a number of MVPs on this site - Ken Cox, Kevin
Spencer, Brock Allen, Curt Christenson, Karl Sequin, Steve C. Orr, Scott Mitchell, and Bruce Barker. Without their advice, perspective, sample code, and referenced articles or blogs I simply wouldn't have been able to succeed as well or as quickly as I have in learning ASP.NET. When my customers or programming peers see what I have created with ASP.NET and tell me how great they think it is, I'm always very quick to mention that there is *no way* I could have done it without the help of the MVPs in this NG. Thank You MVPs! -Jeff Show quote "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > incompetent > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > wrong in the real world > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > do > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > as > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > with. > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > in > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > the > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > as > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > in > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > actually > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > pay > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > customer > wanted anyway. > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > they > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > you > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > can't > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > This guy HAS a J.O.B. because M.V.P.'s are TOO STUPID to know that other
beginning programmers make money off of their nickel and dime questions/ answers. However, past the beginning part this is where, if he keeps taking MVP's advice he will fail just like MVP's fail as they don't have JOB's either Show quote "Jeffrey Todd" <M*@Somewhere.net> wrote in message news:O1jXIzRaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > I am personally grateful to a number of MVPs on this site - Ken Cox, Kevin > Spencer, Brock Allen, Curt Christenson, Karl Sequin, Steve C. Orr, Scott > Mitchell, and Bruce Barker. Without their advice, perspective, sample code, > and referenced articles or blogs I simply wouldn't have been able to succeed > as well or as quickly as I have in learning ASP.NET. When my customers or > programming peers see what I have created with ASP.NET and tell me how great > they think it is, I'm always very quick to mention that there is *no way* I > could have done it without the help of the MVPs in this NG. > > Thank You MVPs! > > -Jeff > > > > "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message > news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > > incompetent > > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > > wrong in the real world > > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > > do > > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > > as > > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > > with. > > > > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > > in > > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > > the > > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > > as > > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > > in > > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > > actually > > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > > pay > > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > > customer > > wanted anyway. > > > > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > > they > > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > > you > > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > > can't > > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buy a book, it does the same thing and it will get you started.
After getting the basics down, don't bother to listen to them as these people/authors have never gotten past the sample program and written a real program where it actually counts in the real world. Authors are little better than MVP's in that the actually have to write a little sample code of which is what you need. But after that, then it's all *you* as authors only write books to get noticed to get their next consulting gig, they do not make money off their books if you didn't know that. Do NOT think that these MVP's and authors are some super programmers as they are NOT to say the least. All they know is trivia, reference, how to answer a worded question with a nice answer in public. When it actually comes down to putting out a program and coding something in the real world, don't even ask them, don't even listen to their best practices as they don't really practice what they preach, nor do they even have time to practice what they preach as they are posting all day long. Show quote "Jeffrey Todd" <M*@Somewhere.net> wrote in message news:O1jXIzRaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > I am personally grateful to a number of MVPs on this site - Ken Cox, Kevin > Spencer, Brock Allen, Curt Christenson, Karl Sequin, Steve C. Orr, Scott > Mitchell, and Bruce Barker. Without their advice, perspective, sample code, > and referenced articles or blogs I simply wouldn't have been able to succeed > as well or as quickly as I have in learning ASP.NET. When my customers or > programming peers see what I have created with ASP.NET and tell me how great > they think it is, I'm always very quick to mention that there is *no way* I > could have done it without the help of the MVPs in this NG. > > Thank You MVPs! > > -Jeff > > > > "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message > news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > > incompetent > > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > > wrong in the real world > > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > > do > > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > > as > > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > > with. > > > > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > > in > > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > > the > > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > > as > > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > > in > > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > > actually > > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > > pay > > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > > customer > > wanted anyway. > > > > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > > they > > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > > you > > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > > can't > > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It sounds like you want to validate that MVP's worth with your commentary.
Let others do what they will and either be part of it or do your own thing. If you've been looked over as an MVP keep helping... it's not the title that counts but how you feel about yourself in the morning. :-) Regards, Show quote "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most > incompetent > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!! > > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven > wrong in the real world > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you > do > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here. > > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO > as > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin > with. > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity > in > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do > the > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad > as > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they > in > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they > actually > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that? > > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why > pay > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the > customer > wanted anyway. > > > MESSAGE TO MVP's: > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till > they > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning > you > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, > can't > get the job done right. > > > > > > > > > > > What a nice person!
All the MVPs that I am familiar with are paid very well for their expertise in other positions. Many still work as individual contributors, while others are development leads, architects, and consultants who share their expertise directly with individual developers. That they share a small portion of their significant experience with the rest of us, on this forum, in blogs and in talks for user groups, most often without pay, is a form of generosity of spirit that is both invaluable and fundamental to our community. I cannot praise the MVPs enough for their contribution to the Microsoft programming community. I know that my sentiments are not alone within Microsoft. You have changed no minds today, troll. -- --- Nick Malik [Microsoft] MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not representative of my employer. I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a programmer helping programmers. -- You are SO FULL IT!
These MVP's are some oft he worstl If they actually are the so-called development leads, architects and consultants HOW IN THE WORLD DO THEY HAVE SO MUCH TIME WHEN THEIR very OWN projects are ALWAYS LATE!! Microsoft projects are always late, heck all software projects are late, so why in the world should these MVP have so much time then? Show quote "Nick Malik [Microsoft]" <nickmalik@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message news:N72dnRso4e_nSzzfRVn-hw@comcast.com... > What a nice person! > > All the MVPs that I am familiar with are paid very well for their expertise > in other positions. Many still work as individual contributors, while > others are development leads, architects, and consultants who share their > expertise directly with individual developers. That they share a small > portion of their significant experience with the rest of us, on this forum, > in blogs and in talks for user groups, most often without pay, is a form of > generosity of spirit that is both invaluable and fundamental to our > community. > > I cannot praise the MVPs enough for their contribution to the Microsoft > programming community. I know that my sentiments are not alone within > Microsoft. > > You have changed no minds today, troll. > > -- > --- Nick Malik [Microsoft] > MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster > http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik > > Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not > representative of my employer. > I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a > programmer helping programmers. > -- > > Where are you getting the time to post such nonsense? Please ask a question or move on to slashdot or something. -- Show quoteWilliam Stacey [MVP] "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:u6XUPRSaFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > You are SO FULL IT! > > These MVP's are some oft he worstl > > If they actually are the so-called development leads, architects and > consultants HOW IN THE WORLD DO THEY HAVE SO MUCH TIME WHEN THEIR very OWN > projects are ALWAYS LATE!! > > Microsoft projects are always late, heck all software projects are late, > so > why in the world should these MVP have so much time then? > > > > > > "Nick Malik [Microsoft]" <nickmalik@hotmail.nospam.com> wrote in message > news:N72dnRso4e_nSzzfRVn-hw@comcast.com... >> What a nice person! >> >> All the MVPs that I am familiar with are paid very well for their > expertise >> in other positions. Many still work as individual contributors, while >> others are development leads, architects, and consultants who share their >> expertise directly with individual developers. That they share a small >> portion of their significant experience with the rest of us, on this > forum, >> in blogs and in talks for user groups, most often without pay, is a form > of >> generosity of spirit that is both invaluable and fundamental to our >> community. >> >> I cannot praise the MVPs enough for their contribution to the Microsoft >> programming community. I know that my sentiments are not alone within >> Microsoft. >> >> You have changed no minds today, troll. >> >> -- >> --- Nick Malik [Microsoft] >> MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster >> | |||||||||||||||||||||||
