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25 Nov 2007 8:49 AM
John
Hi

I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should choose
2008 at this stage. My questions are following;

1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
common app development tasks?

2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?

3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
with 2008?

Many Thanks

Regards

Author
25 Nov 2007 9:22 AM
Michel Posseth [MCP]
Hello John ,

I am currently "still"  using 2005 for my production apps this is because i
create inhouse production applications and our infrastructure needs to be
updated first

In my opinion VS.Net 2008 is one giant bugfix to VS.Net 2005
so the answers in my opinion to your questions are

> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
> smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
> common app development tasks?

No it is not ,

> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?

To my surprise it looks more stable as VS2005  ( some bugs seem to be
fixed )

> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
> with 2008?

I have no experience with "Infragistics" but until sofar every project of
mine worked flawless when ipening in VS.Net 2008


In case you are wondering , until sofar i am verry pleased with VS.Net 2008
i see it as a good step forward however i did not had this feeling with 2005
as it required me to rewrite my apps
and the IDE was much more instable as the 2003 version .

HTH

Michel



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"John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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> Hi
>
> I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should
> choose 2008 at this stage. My questions are following;
>
> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
> smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
> common app development tasks?
>
> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?
>
> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
> with 2008?
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Regards
>
Author
25 Nov 2007 2:22 PM
Jim Rand
One unknown - VS 2008 uses SP1 for the .NET framework.  The implication is
SP1 for .NET will have to be deployed on your target machines.  That
probably is a good thing.


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"John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%23JGqZA0LIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi
>
> I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should
> choose 2008 at this stage. My questions are following;
>
> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
> smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
> common app development tasks?
>
> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?
>
> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
> with 2008?
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Regards
>
Author
26 Nov 2007 4:29 PM
Chris Wood
Jim,

Do you know of a fixlist for SP1? I cannot seem to find one on KB.

Chris

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"Jim Rand" <jimr***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> One unknown - VS 2008 uses SP1 for the .NET framework.  The implication is
> SP1 for .NET will have to be deployed on your target machines.  That
> probably is a good thing.
>
>
> "John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:%23JGqZA0LIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Hi
>>
>> I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should
>> choose 2008 at this stage. My questions are following;
>>
>> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
>> smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
>> common app development tasks?
>>
>> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?
>>
>> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
>> with 2008?
>>
>> Many Thanks
>>
>> Regards
>>
>
>
Author
26 Nov 2007 5:04 PM
Jim Rand
Out of curiosity, I went looking for SP1.

1) Tough just to find

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=79BC3B77-E02C-4AD3-AACF-A7633F706BA5&displaylang=en

2) Here is what it does.

Overview
Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1 provides cumulative roll-up
updates for customer reported issues found after the release of Microsoft
..NET Framework 2.0. In addition, this release provides security
improvements, and prerequisite feature support for .NET Framework 3.0
Service Pack 1, and .NET Framework 3.5.

3) It's not part of the regular Windows Update set.

Jim

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"Chris Wood" <anonym***@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Jim,
>
> Do you know of a fixlist for SP1? I cannot seem to find one on KB.
>
> Chris
>
> "Jim Rand" <jimr***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:%23KroN62LIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> One unknown - VS 2008 uses SP1 for the .NET framework.  The implication
>> is SP1 for .NET will have to be deployed on your target machines.  That
>> probably is a good thing.
>>
>>
>> "John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:%23JGqZA0LIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should
>>> choose 2008 at this stage. My questions are following;
>>>
>>> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
>>> smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
>>> common app development tasks?
>>>
>>> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?
>>>
>>> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
>>> with 2008?
>>>
>>> Many Thanks
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
26 Nov 2007 5:24 PM
Chris Wood
I saw that to Jim (Not on WU). I am wondering which security fixes are
included in it? We have an issue with MS07-040 so I wanted to know if this
might fix the problem?

Chris

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"Jim Rand" <jimr***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:ut0yy5EMIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Out of curiosity, I went looking for SP1.
>
> 1) Tough just to find
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=79BC3B77-E02C-4AD3-AACF-A7633F706BA5&displaylang=en
>
> 2) Here is what it does.
>
> Overview
> Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 1 provides cumulative roll-up
> updates for customer reported issues found after the release of Microsoft
> .NET Framework 2.0. In addition, this release provides security
> improvements, and prerequisite feature support for .NET Framework 3.0
> Service Pack 1, and .NET Framework 3.5.
>
> 3) It's not part of the regular Windows Update set.
>
> Jim
>
> "Chris Wood" <anonym***@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%23xJfcmEMIHA.3976@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Jim,
>>
>> Do you know of a fixlist for SP1? I cannot seem to find one on KB.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "Jim Rand" <jimr***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23KroN62LIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> One unknown - VS 2008 uses SP1 for the .NET framework.  The implication
>>> is SP1 for .NET will have to be deployed on your target machines.  That
>>> probably is a good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:%23JGqZA0LIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should
>>>> choose 2008 at this stage. My questions are following;
>>>>
>>>> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to
>>>> prohibit smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning
>>>> curve for common app development tasks?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?
>>>>
>>>> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3
>>>> compatible with 2008?
>>>>
>>>> Many Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
25 Nov 2007 7:27 PM
pvdg42
See opinions in context...

"John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should
> choose 2008 at this stage. My questions are following;
>
> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
> smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
> common app development tasks?
The interface is very similar, so the slope of the VS 2005 -> VS 2008
learning curve is minimal for working on existing/traditional projects. VS
2008 allows you to target .NET 2.0 (SP1), 3.0 or 3.5, so you can continue
work on existing VS 2005 projects with ease. Of course, newer technologies
(like WPF, WCF, LINQ and Windows WF) will require some learning.
>
> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?
I've been working with Beta 1, Beta 2, RC and now RTM since last August. I'd
say it's better than VS 2005.
>
> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
> with 2008?
I'd suggest you ask Infragistics. I'm sure they've been working with the
various VS 2008 betas/RC for some time, and can give you a definitive
answer.
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>
> Many Thanks
>
> Regards
>
Author
28 Nov 2007 6:49 PM
Cowboy (Gregory A. Beamer)
"John" <John@nospam.infovis.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> I need to start a new win form project and I am wondering if I should
> choose 2008 at this stage. My questions are following;
>
> 1. Is 2008 much different from vs 2005 in terms of skill set to prohibit
> smooth development of application ie is there a steep learning curve for
> common app development tasks?

It looks and feels the same. And, since you can target different versions of
the framework, you have the best of both worlds.

> 2. Is 2008 stable enough, at least as good as vs2005?

From my personal experience over the past week or so (and in the betas), it
is more stable. It boots up faster and runs compile and debug faster.

> 3. For infragistics users, is Infragistics NA for Winform 7.3 compatible
> with 2008?

I would imagine so, but I did not have Infragistics installed on this
machine prior to installing. It is primarily add-ins that people are having
problems with, not controls.

NOTE: VS2008 can still compile 2.0 applications. The 3.5 Framework is set on
top of 2.0, so anything that works in 2.0 or 3.0 is fine.

--
Gregory A. Beamer
MVP, MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

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